Nominations Clarification 6
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genfreeformexchangeHere is the next round of clarifications! Here are some general reminders:
- Only nominate characters under fandoms in which they appear (unless you're nominating under Crossover Fandom) and if you're nominating a franchise check the nominations guidelines to see if we have rules.
- Disambiguate your nominations by putting the fandom after your relationship nominations.
- Do not nominate / relationships, as they will be rejected without clarification.
Now on to the specifics. Outstanding clarifications are kept, new items are bolded.
Relationships Slot
Doctor Who & Related Fandoms
All tags — Sorry, nominator, we can't accept this fandom because it's way too broad. It includes at minimum every fandom listed here which is just way too much. Doctor Who (2005) is already in the tagset, but I think your nominations are from a combination of Doctor Who (1963), Torchwood, and Class (TV 2016). Crossovers between them can go in Crossover Fandom. Also, some specific notes on your nominations...
Bunghole Defence Squad (Doctor Who & Related Fandoms) and Torchwood Agents (Doctor Who & Related Fandoms) — These tags need either "Solo:" or "Group:" in front of them! When you switch these noms to different fandoms, please add Solo: or Group:
Various Doctor Who companions and spin-off characters (Doctor Who & Related Fandoms) — Obviously you will have to rethink this tag when you're nominating in different, more specific fandoms, but this phrasing is too vague and we wouldn't be able to accept it even if we could accept this fandom. You could nominate something like "Solo: Creator's Choice of Canon Companions or Spin Off Characters (Doctor Who 1963)" (You would get a work focused on 1 canon companion or spin-off character) or something like "Group: Creator's Choice of Canon Companions or Spin Off Characters" (You would get a work focused on a minimum of 2 canon companions or spin-off characters, or maybe one of each) or something like "Creator's Choice of Canon Companion(s) & Creator's Choice of Canon Spin Off Character(s) (DW 1963)" (you would get a work focused on a minimum of one companion and one spin-off character each).
The Silmarillion and other histories of Middle-Earth - J. R. R. Tolkien
Solo: Finrod (Silmarillion) and Solo: Finrod Felagund | Findaráto (Silmarillion - Tolkien) — Are these the same character? If so, can Silm nominators come to a consensus about which version I should accept?
TOLKIEN J. R. R. - Works & Related Fandoms
All tags — This fandom tag is much too broad for us to accept, unfortunately! It would at minimum include everything listed here and potentially a bunch of other random things. Crossover Fandom would be the best choice for most of your nominations.
The Book of Lost Tales - J. R. R. Tolkien
All tags — Sorry, this fandom is synned with the Silm fandom and I thought we were safe because your tags were new tags! But AO3 is a dumpster fire so they've all fallen into the Silm fandom /o\ We'll fix this before sign ups open, but just so you know they might end up with weird disambigs and/or the fandom might end up under "Uncategorized Fandoms" after we're done punishing the tagset for its sins.
Freeforms
"Carrie" Type Fusion — Nominator, we have no idea what you mean! What is a "Carrie" type fusion? Please explain so we can help you come up with a clearer freeform.
Not so secret mission — Sorry, nominator, we don't know what exactly this means! Please explain so we can help you come up with a clearer freeform.
In-World Meta — Do you mean in-universe nonfiction exploring some aspect of worldbuilding (as in this meaning of meta) or do you mean 'meta' in the "breaking the fourth wall sense of metafic?
Alternate Viewpoints — Do you mean a fic where you get scenes from several characters' POVs (which is what the canonical tag "POV Alternating" means) or did you mean you wanted a fic about a canon event told from a different character's point of view?
Worldbuilding: Narrative Bias — According to google, narrative bias "refers to our tendency to make sense of the world through stories" but I'm not sure how that applies to worldbuilding.
Famous Five style camping adventure — There are a bunch of famous fives so for clarity I would like this to be changed to something like "Camping Adventure - in the style of" followed by something specifying which famous five you mean.
Partisans or Resistance — For clarity I would like to accept this as "Partisan Military Force Or Other Resistance Activities" but am running it by you in case that doesn't imply what you actually want.
ghost story — Do you want a story with ghosts or a story with characters telling each other ghost stories?
Inspired by... tags including Inspired by Florence + the Machine and Inspired by Lana Del Rey Songs — These are accepted but I wanted to clarify that requesters should have reasonable expectations about what "Inspired By" will entitled them to recieve, even in a vid request. Mods will take a creator's word at face value if they say what they've created for you was inspired by a song or artist. For a vid request, this does mean that your vidder doesn't need to include a song by the artist in the vid, only be inspired by it.
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Date: 2021-02-13 10:55 pm (UTC)Not the nominator of "Worldbuilding: Narrative Bias" but I like In-Univeres Documents like academic texts that describe a culture the academic is not part of and thus gets hilarriously (orr frustratingly) wrong. Not sure if the nominator was thinking about this, but I'd definitely love to be able to request it.
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Date: 2021-02-13 11:11 pm (UTC)+ I also thought that that might be what they mean, but I thought it might also mean they want something exploring worldbuilding in the context of an unreliable narrator or something...99% sure whatever they want with that tag is eligible, I just need to make sure the tag is understandable!
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Date: 2021-02-14 01:09 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2021-02-14 01:34 am (UTC)tagset issues
Date: 2021-02-14 03:19 am (UTC)Additionally, I tried to nominate two different The Adventure Zone fandoms separately, but it wouldn't let me, so I ended up combining them. I differentiated between them using "TAZ:B" and "TAZ:A"; then I tried to go back and change it for clarity to "TAZ Balance" and "TAZ Amnesty" but again, the form would not let me make edits. Sorry if this is confusing, I tried!
Also, not the one who nommed Finrod, but yes those two characters are the same. Either one should make sense to people; if you value specificity go with the second, if you value conciseness go with the first.
Re: tagset issues
Date: 2021-02-14 05:09 am (UTC)Can you edit at all? I can definitely fix it, but I don't want to break your nomination page. If you can, try changing the fandoms to "The Adventure Zone: Balance (Podcast) - Fandom" and "The Adventure Zone: Amnesty (Podcast) - Fandom". Neither of those appear in the Tags with the same meaning section of the https://archiveofourown.org/tags/The%20Adventure%20Zone%20(Podcast) so I'm pretty sure they'll work for now! If you can't edit at all (or if it still doesn't let you submit with those fandom names) then just let me know and I'll accept them as is and then herd them into those fandoms.
-Comod
Re: tagset issues
Date: 2021-02-14 07:02 am (UTC)I can't edit at all :( Every time I try I get this message:
"Owned tag set You have already submitted nominations for that tag set. Try editing them instead."
Re: tagset issues
Date: 2021-02-14 07:35 am (UTC)-Comod
Re: tagset issues
Date: 2021-02-14 07:39 am (UTC)Re: tagset issues
Date: 2021-02-15 01:08 am (UTC)The ever expanding Whoniverse
Date: 2021-02-14 09:33 am (UTC)If Ace has appeared in the Class Big Finish audios and she's the only Classic Who character I'm nominating, is that enough of a link for me to narrow it down to Torchwood/Class crossover and remove the rest of the headache? Some of the rest of the headache...
Re: The ever expanding Whoniverse
Date: 2021-02-15 12:26 am (UTC)Solo: Ace (DW Big Finish Audio) in Torchwood
Group: Torchwood Team (Torchwood) in DW Big Finish Audio
For the "in [fandom]" you can be as specific or broad as you want as long as you're clear, so "Classic Who" or "7th Doctor's Run" or whatever would work as long as it's easy for someone to know what you want! The character "Doctor Who (Any Version)" in a crossover tag would also be acceptable as long as you really mean any version.
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Date: 2021-02-14 10:08 am (UTC)In-World Meta — Do you mean in-universe nonfiction exploring some aspect of worldbuilding (as in this meaning of meta) or do you mean 'meta' in the "breaking the fourth wall sense of metafic? - I was talking about in-world nonfiction. I can see Found Documents is in the tag set but I thought this could apply more broadly - covering things like a character's essay on the weaver's guild they founded, or something. "Found Documents" is probably also a tag I would request and offer, but to me it suggests something a bit more fragmented, like incomplete diary entries that the characters have to make sense of.
Alternate Viewpoints — Do you mean a fic where you get scenes from several characters' POVs (which is what the canonical tag "POV Alternating" means) or did you mean you wanted a fic about a canon event told from a different character's point of view? - I meant the latter, really. Canon events from perspectives not given in canon.
Worldbuilding: Narrative Bias — According to google, narrative bias "refers to our tendency to make sense of the world through stories" but I'm not sure how that applies to worldbuilding. - I had nominated this with the Silm in mind, as technically that's an in-world chronicle which will be affected by the biases, knowledge and viewpoints of its authors, but then I thought it might apply to other fandoms as well. I'd put worldbuilding on there because an author's slant might significantly affect, for example, the politics as presented in the book, but by all means take that off if you think it's muddying the waters.
ghost story — Do you want a story with ghosts or a story with characters telling each other ghost stories? - either or both!
I'm not the nominator but Finrod is one character with several names. "Finrod" is the one used most in canon and it's the one I'd personally prefer to stick with in order to avoid the tag set becoming difficult to read (I find the piped tags hard work!) but I will let other Silm fans weigh in.
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Date: 2021-02-15 01:03 am (UTC)In-World Meta — "in-universe nonfiction text" is actually already a tag (which I should have mentioned in my clarification, sorry!) but I would be happy to approve something like "in-universe nonfiction text focused on worldbuilding" if you want that aspect baked into the tag!
Alternate Viewpoints — I actually think that "Canon Events From Perspectives Not Given In Canon" would be an excellent way to phrase what you wanted, what do you think?
Worldbuilding: Narrative Bias — How about something like, "Worldbuilding - Exploring how canon POV character's bias influenced the narrative"?
ghost story — okay, I'll approve as-is!
(Also: you have impeccable taste in freeform concepts, dang.)
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Date: 2021-02-15 05:31 pm (UTC)Also, I am not the nominator but re: Solo: Finrod (Silmarillion) vs. Solo: Finrod Felagund | Findaràto (Silmarillion,) I would go with the latter because it’s AO3’s canonical tag, even though it can be annoying. But Narya thinks differently so, you know, take your pick :)
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Date: 2021-02-15 05:38 pm (UTC)If Narya agrees with you about “Worldbuilding — Narrative Bias” then we could actually change it to something Silm-specific so that the meaning isn't lost, since it seems like it'll be clear to Silm fans — something like "The Silm: Worldbuilding - Narrative Bias". And then I could throw in “Worldbuilding - Exploring how canon POV character's bias influenced the narrative" as a freebie for non-Silm people.
(Also I went with Solo: Finrod because deep in my heart of hearts I hate pipes unless they're really necessary for disambiguation ahaha...)
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Date: 2021-02-15 06:29 pm (UTC)Yessss Nienna come and play <3
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Date: 2021-02-15 06:27 pm (UTC)Alternate Viewpoints — "Canon Events From Perspectives Not Given In Canon" works for me :)
Worldbuilding: Narrative Bias — As Nienna said, this isn't so much about a POV character who appears. If we're making it Silm-specific then Silmarillion - Narrative Bias should work, without the need for the worldbuilding attached; Silm fans would in all likelihood understand what was meant by that, as most of us have our views on the unseen chronicler!
(Also: you have impeccable taste in freeform concepts, dang.) - thank you! <3
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Date: 2021-02-14 05:54 pm (UTC)I don't understand why the fandom needs to be added though since they're being nominated under the fandom.
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Date: 2021-02-15 12:21 am (UTC)If this reply finds you too late for you to get your tags in, we'll put them in for you for sure, so don't worry about that.
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